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1) I believe it helps to show that there are people out there who do not believe in the technological life that we live today. There is no reason to ruin the lives and places that occupies the land of the civilians there. I believe it willl help to open peoples eyes on how the lives of others will be effected and changed.
2)I believe they should have the rights that we have. They have their own laws and traditions. I dont see anyone trying to stop someones beliefs when they have to do with modern day life. They have chosen to stick to the old days traditions such as huts.
3) The way the technology and wars are in present day will effect the indigenous peoples lives. People are always trying to get more land and at one point in time they will try to take the land that is their home land. The people who believe that they should not exist are wrong. You turn to your grandmother, she will have a belief that is different than yours. Her traditions are the same as the past. The way people live their lives has nothing to do with you so I dont believe we have the right to get in the way.

1. I believed that that it will change due to the lack of the violence in the countries. Like for example, when a country has a tribe and everything was destroyed and it made their life more difficult. They needed to change rights to make things to go easier. People always fighting for lands.

2. I think if people are fighting for to save their lands, they have a long struggle until someone give up their land. A leader needs to rule their country to control the entire country. If a civilians tried to destroyed their own properties at the same country, that person should be punished just like the court as today. It’s the same story as the terrorist tried to invade the country and destroy what we have now, so I think a leader should ruled the country. People would fight for lands for oil, money, people to live all cause by war.

3. I think the people that live in their own country should hold the lands and the country’s leader. Technology have helped us a lot such as weapons and communications that helped around the world. Some people have a tradition that they don’t want to be taken away. The country should focuses on violence, and the economy.

• no i dont think so i think i will reach out to alot of people but no movie will change a countrys ways they wont change simply because a moive shows a diffent immage of what is proper and what is not    and it takes for more to get a country to make a policy change   and it wont give people there rights it may give some people the strenght and drive to fight the system 
  
  

  • well they should have rigths they are human beings and they have been around for many generations and stayed the same it's not right to change them know i think they should have proper rights   and they shouldnt have the country clam there land it is there land  some were there in that land before the country or  place was even discovered
    
    
    
    well they should have freedom and be protected and helped if needed  there should be no main interferance with them they should be granted there own society    the main issues that threaten indigenous people today are the mixign with other culters   some counrtys foceing the to part with the ancient ways  other cultures try to change them  there land is beeing taking away form
    

Jesse wrote:

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1. I believed that that it will change due to the lack of the violence in the countries. Like for example, when a country has a tribe and everything was destroyed and it made their life more difficult. They needed to change rights to make things to go easier. People always fighting for lands.

2. I think if people are fighting for to save their lands, they have a long struggle until someone give up their land. A leader needs to rule their country to control the entire country. If a civilians tried to destroyed their own properties at the same country, that person should be punished just like the court as today. It’s the same story as the terrorist tried to invade the country and destroy what we have now, so I think a leader should ruled the country. People would fight for lands for oil, money, people to live all cause by war.

3. I think the people that live in their own country should hold the lands and the country’s leader. Technology have helped us a lot such as weapons and communications that helped around the world. Some people have a tradition that they don’t want to be taken away. The country should focuses on violence, and the economy.

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do you think  Technology has helped the Indigenous  people

1. I believe it helps to show that there are people out there who do not believe in the technological life that we live today. There is no reason to ruin the lives and places that occupies the land of the civilians there. I believe it will help to open people’s eyes on how the lives of others will be affected and changed
2. I think they should have the same right because they should be able to follow their traditions. Yes they should be protected because they shouldn’t be treated differently just cause their not like us.
3) The way the technology and wars are in present day will affect the indigenous people’s lives. People are always trying to get more land and at one point in time they will try to take the land that is their home land. The people who believe that they shouldn’t exist are wrong. You turn to your grandmother; she will have a belief that is different than yours. Her traditions are the same as the past. The way people live their lives has nothing to do with you so I don’t believe we have the right to get in the way.

1. I don't think it will help because Avatar is not the only thing showing what is going on. There have been documentaries, and I'm assuming other movies touching on this subject and nothing has happened.

2. Yes indigenous people should have rights. Everyone deserves to have rights. I think they should be able to come up with their own rights, since it’s for them.

3. I think they should have the right to be protected, and the right to keep the land that they made their own. I believe that technology threatens indigenous people today, because they have been fine the way they are for many years, and I think if they added any other elements it would almost ruin their civilization (s).

 

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Jesse wrote:

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1. I believed that that it will change due to the lack of the violence in the countries. Like for example, when a country has a tribe and everything was destroyed and it made their life more difficult. They needed to change rights to make things to go easier. People always fighting for lands.

2. I think if people are fighting for to save their lands, they have a long struggle until someone give up their land. A leader needs to rule their country to control the entire country. If a civilians tried to destroyed their own properties at the same country, that person should be punished just like the court as today. It’s the same story as the terrorist tried to invade the country and destroy what we have now, so I think a leader should ruled the country. People would fight for lands for oil, money, people to live all cause by war.

3. I think the people that live in their own country should hold the lands and the country’s leader. Technology have helped us a lot such as weapons and communications that helped around the world. Some people have a tradition that they don’t want to be taken away. The country should focuses on violence, and the economy.

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do you think  Technology has helped the Indigenous  people

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It could be,  if people created technology, that could help them in the future. people often struggle and needed something helpful to make things to go eaier.

 

1)      I believe the success of the film Avatar will show everyone that indigenous peoples deserve rights like anyone else. The film shows the importance of not ruining the areas in which indigenous people live in because it’s wrong; their lives should not be interrupted due to the construction of another mall or Dunkin’ Donuts, for example. It shows how that we shouldn’t treat indigenous people as savages; they are humans too.

2)      Indigenous people should have the same rights that we have. They are people too so why shouldn’t they?  They should be protected by the UN treaty because the treaty truly helps indigenous people in obtaining protection and rights.

3)      Those who oppose indigenous rights say that technology, construction of new buildings and wars will get in the way of the lives of indigenous people. They also say that people will always be greedy to gain more land in order to obtain more money or build expensive million-dollar corporations on indigenous peoples’ land. I believe that people who think this way are wrong; we shouldn’t interfere with the lives of others just because we want to build something on the land in which they live on.

No, I don’t’ believe the success of the film, Avatar, will translate into policy changes inside and between nations concerning the rights of indigenous people. It has been several months since its release in 2009, if the film was to initiate any kind of serious change it would do so within this time, and so far it hasn’t. There would be public outcry about atrocities toward indigenous people, but unfortunately, that hasn’t happened. Through other media outlets about the realities of our society, The Jungle, initiated a lot of change almost directly by bringing public outcry and media coverage. Avatar has not brought nearly the amount of attention, despite having a broader audience, as well as a more effective tool to send out its message. Most people just view it as a movie, and don’t care enough about the realities of indigenous people on our planet.
Indigenous peoples should be subject to the rules and laws of the nation that claims their land. If the indigenous land is between two nations, the laws should be changed based on the borderline. UN treaties, even when ratified by a nation, are not always followed especially because there aren’t enforcement mechanisms. So, it would be useless to have them protected by rights of the UN Treaty (2007). The individuals of the villages and clans should have all the rights of the country that provides them, however, I don’t see how property rights would apply to them. The government has had to have official paperwork to say that the land was theirs in the first place. Only then, can they claim the land as their properties. I understand they have been there for hundreds or thousands of years, however, in our society today, we work within limits and regulations. I can’t own any land unless I have it registered with some governmental body. So the government can move to register the land as theirs, otherwise it is government property in which they can keep as natural parks, or allow companies to pillage the forrest.
Opposition to indigenous people’s rights centers mainly on land issues. Many view the land of these villages to be government property as national parks, forests, or rainforests. They are just people living on the land with no substantial claim to it. I can live in the forrest, but it doesn’t make the forest mine; the forest remains under the control of the government, no matter who lives on it, and how they live on it. If the government sees fit to use this PUBLIC asset to allow companies help expand their economy and build a stronger workforce, then supporters don’t see why not. Deforestation as well as globalization threaten indigenous people. With the expansion of cultures very different than their own, their small and little known ways of life are slowing decaying. Deforestation destroys the land that many of these people use to live off of. This forces them to move into the larger community where their way of life is dramatically changes.

Vi wrote:

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1.       I believe the success of the film, Avatar, will not change policies inside and between nations concerning the rights of indigenous peoples because in the end it is just a movie. Realistically I believe that people have their opinions on certain subjects and when movie’s are made, they portray them in a way that the public will like not in what is real. So the government should know if they should change policies or not and to not base it off of entertainment views.

2.       I believe that indigenous peoples should have rights and be protected by the rights of the nation because they are humans and are pretty much the same as people living in the u.s under the government’s control. They are people just living on their own land not causing any harm to us, so they should at least be protected.

3.       The claims that those who oppose indigenous rights are that they don’t want them to have their own society and country. The main issues are that they don’t want to mix cultures and the government is also trying to gain more land, so it’d be taking away from the indigenous people and leave them with pretty much nothing.

 

 

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GOOD  PONIT!

 

BiancaDee925 wrote:

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3)      Those who oppose indigenous rights say that technology, construction of new buildings and wars will get in the way of the lives of indigenous people. They also say that people will always be greedy to gain more land in order to obtain more money or build expensive million-dollar corporations on indigenous peoples’ land. I believe that people who think this way are wrong; we shouldn’t interfere with the lives of others just because we want to build something on the land in which they live on.

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For your third question: Why shouldn't we work for the benefit of the majority of the people at the expense of a minority?  Work to improve the lives of the most, at the least expense.

 

Moussa wrote:

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Vi wrote:

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2.       I believe that indigenous peoples should have rights and be protected by the rights of the nation because they are humans and are pretty much the same as people living in the u.s under the government’s control. They are people just living on their own land not causing any harm to us, so they should at least be protected.

 

 

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 what if the nation doesn't provide that many rights to the people? what if the people live in a dictatorship where no one has any guaranteed rights?

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well, i still believe they should get some rights granted to them, whether it be 1 or 25 at least something so they cang feel they belong. but if they live in a dictatorship where no one is guarenteed rights then thats a whole different story because we aren't talking about a dictatorship.

 

Nay wrote:

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Vi wrote:

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1.       I believe the success of the film, Avatar, will not change policies inside and between nations concerning the rights of indigenous peoples because in the end it is just a movie. Realistically I believe that people have their opinions on certain subjects and when movie’s are made, they portray them in a way that the public will like not in what is real. So the government should know if they should change policies or not and to not base it off of entertainment views.

2.       I believe that indigenous peoples should have rights and be protected by the rights of the nation because they are humans and are pretty much the same as people living in the u.s under the government’s control. They are people just living on their own land not causing any harm to us, so they should at least be protected.

3.       The claims that those who oppose indigenous rights are that they don’t want them to have their own society and country. The main issues are that they don’t want to mix cultures and the government is also trying to gain more land, so it’d be taking away from the indigenous people and leave them with pretty much nothing.

 

 

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VI,the points that you've provided are veryy well put. i feel that your passionate about your about and have made it come through very strongly

 

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Nay wrote:

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Nay wrote:

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Vi wrote:

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1.       I believe the success of the film, Avatar, will not change policies inside and between nations concerning the rights of indigenous peoples because in the end it is just a movie. Realistically I believe that people have their opinions on certain subjects and when movie’s are made, they portray them in a way that the public will like not in what is real. So the government should know if they should change policies or not and to not base it off of entertainment views.

2.       I believe that indigenous peoples should have rights and be protected by the rights of the nation because they are humans and are pretty much the same as people living in the u.s under the government’s control. They are people just living on their own land not causing any harm to us, so they should at least be protected.

3.       The claims that those who oppose indigenous rights are that they don’t want them to have their own society and country. The main issues are that they don’t want to mix cultures and the government is also trying to gain more land, so it’d be taking away from the indigenous people and leave them with pretty much nothing.

 

 

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VI,the points that you've provided are veryy well put. i feel that your passionate about your about and have made it come through very strongly

 

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why thank you very much jahnay, your points are also very valid and pretty much what i believe too

 

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Nay wrote:

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Nay wrote:

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Vi wrote:

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1.       I believe the success of the film, Avatar, will not change policies inside and between nations concerning the rights of indigenous peoples because in the end it is just a movie. Realistically I believe that people have their opinions on certain subjects and when movie’s are made, they portray them in a way that the public will like not in what is real. So the government should know if they should change policies or not and to not base it off of entertainment views.

2.       I believe that indigenous peoples should have rights and be protected by the rights of the nation because they are humans and are pretty much the same as people living in the u.s under the government’s control. They are people just living on their own land not causing any harm to us, so they should at least be protected.

3.       The claims that those who oppose indigenous rights are that they don’t want them to have their own society and country. The main issues are that they don’t want to mix cultures and the government is also trying to gain more land, so it’d be taking away from the indigenous people and leave them with pretty much nothing.

 

 

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VI,the points that you've provided are veryy well put.

 

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Some of my questions!!! I don’t expect them to be answered, just questions I thought of

-how can people like us help indigenous people from being targeted?

-what is life like for indigenous people? What are their daily routines?

-what other ways can help indigenous people reserve their land and rights WITHOUT using VIOLENCE?

 

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Nay wrote:

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they should be protect and the goverment when its needed should help them.

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What if different governments have different laws pertaining to indigenous people.  One may give them no property rights and another may.  One may justify the use of force to put down protests and another may not.  Here's a copy of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/ga10612.doc.htm

Notice which countries opposed it?  There are 4.  What does the class think about this topic?  Why do you think the US and 3 others are opposed?  Will this declaration matter?

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well i believe if different governments have different laws pertaining to indigenous people than those laws should be followed, but either way they should be allowed some kind of protection and be able to follow some laws.

 

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i think that is true, for example if murder arre committed but at the same time they should follow somewhat of there own rules

 

Moussa wrote:

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Nay wrote:

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-my belief is that is the movie may have a impact on peoples view on indigenous peoples, but at the same time people arent really going to get into just because of one film tha isnt gonna really change people view and make them truly care for something.

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You don't think that the most successful movie in all human history, with more sales, higher profits, and worldwide records, wouldn't motivate people to help out indigenous people?

 

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Ummmmm, i do believe that the movie will have a impact but not a huge one not everyone just because of one movie is gonna ghopp on the causes 

 

1. Not sure, because I haven’t watched the movie, will get back to you about that tomorrow
2. I think we should all share the same rights, as Bianca said we’re all people.
3. Honestly I’m not sure, don’t know much about indigenous people.

Moussa wrote:

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Nay wrote:

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-my belief is that is the movie may have a impact on peoples view on indigenous peoples, but at the same time people arent really going to get into just because of one film tha isnt gonna really change people view and make them truly care for something.

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You don't think that the most successful movie in all human history, with more sales, higher profits, and worldwide records, wouldn't motivate people to help out indigenous people?

 

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actually to be technical about it, Gone With the Wind was more successful when profits are put into today's money and when you go on individual ticket sales, and it hasn't had an impact on the world in any significant way

 

Glorieeeee wrote:

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1. Not sure, because I haven’t watched the movie, will get back to you about that tomorrow
2. I think we should all share the same rights, as Bianca said we’re all people.
3. Honestly I’m not sure, don’t know much about indigenous people.

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I HAVE IT ON DVD, and watch the movie while ?

 

Moussa wrote:

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You don't think that the most successful movie in all human history, with more sales, higher profits, and worldwide records, wouldn't motivate people to help out indigenous people?

 

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Ummmmm, i do believe that the movie will have a impact but not a huge one not everyone just because of one movie is gonna ghopp on the causes 

 

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 so let me get this straight..... you don't  think that the BEST SELLING MOVIE OF ALL TIME, and soon to be THE BEST SELLING DVD OF ALL TIME , and the movie with THE MOST PROFITS OF ALL TIME, seen by the LARGEST AUDIENCE OF ALL TIME. will not get people to hop on the cause?

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NO, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN ITS ONLY A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!

 

MOUSSA!!!! your only posting this much because you want to be a senior memeber on the forum!!!!!!!!!

kelsayexo wrote:

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1) I believe it helps to show that there are people out there who do not believe in the technological life that we live today. There is no reason to ruin the lives and places that occupies the land of the civilians there. I believe it willl help to open peoples eyes on how the lives of others will be effected and changed.
2)I believe they should have the rights that we have. They have their own laws and traditions. I dont see anyone trying to stop someones beliefs when they have to do with modern day life. They have chosen to stick to the old days traditions such as huts.
3) The way the technology and wars are in present day will effect the indigenous peoples lives. People are always trying to get more land and at one point in time they will try to take the land that is their home land. The people who believe that they should not exist are wrong. You turn to your grandmother, she will have a belief that is different than yours. Her traditions are the same as the past. The way people live their lives has nothing to do with you so I dont believe we have the right to get in the way.

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The answer is that they DONT CARE ABOUT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE