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R_Santos · Member

RE: News #2: AZ Immigration Law

ericaaaa3 · Veteran Member

I think it’s ridiculous and impractical and an invasion of privacy that law enforcement are demanding individuals to prove that they are citizens because people can have fake ids and easily slip through the cracks. I understand how some people wouldn’t want illegal immigrants in our country because they are committing a crime. I just don’t how the first article approach the situation I think it’s a bit too aggressive and the second article I feel they have no idea how to resolve the issue.

-- Edited by ericaaaa3 on Tuesday 30th of March 2010 10:54:03 AM

Dokolski · Member

Zachary W wrote:

Moussa wrote:

Zachary W wrote:
Actually it reads as though police officers can question anyone even if they aren't in trouble already.

THEY ARE MIS REPRESENTING THE LAW!!!!! it is much better!

Is the law misrepresenting the law?

B. FOR ANY CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

if they are here legally then they should have nothing to worry about... all thats going to be done is a little inconvienance which is nothing because what is happening is this law is helping that community why shouldnt they WANT to help they should be more than eager to supply citizenship papers

Moussa · Veteran Member

Zachary W wrote:
Is the law misrepresenting the law?
B. FOR ANY CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

by CONTACT, they don't mean an everyday conversation. but official contact. like an arrest, job interview, or a pull over. they aren't going to check the citizenship status of a guy standing on the street, unless there is suspicious behavior.

IF, for example, a bunch of guys (day laborers) are standing on the side walk, loitering, I think there is reason to check for their citizenship. If someone has 5000 bucks in the car, there is reason to check citizenship. what is is proposing, is that every interaction (official) check citizenship to make it a normal practice.

this doesn't mean that they won't get any kind of training on the subject, to better understand body language....etc. That is a misrepresentation by the evil commies.

Glorieeeee · Member

R_Santos wrote:

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Dokolski · Member

Moussa wrote:

Zachary W wrote:
Is the law misrepresenting the law?
B. FOR ANY CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

by CONTACT, they don't mean an everyday conversation. but official contact. like an arrest, job interview, or a pull over. they aren't going to check the citizenship status of a guy standing on the street, unless there is suspicious behavior.

IF, for example, a bunch of guys (day laborers) are standing on the side walk, loitering, I think there is reason to check for their citizenship. If someone has 5000 bucks in the car, there is reason to check citizenship. what is is proposing, is that every interaction (official) check citizenship to make it a normal practice.

this doesn't mean that they won't get any kind of training on the subject, to better understand body language....etc. That is a misrepresentation by the evil commies.

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Moussa · Veteran Member

Nay wrote:

okae im glad your alright with racial profiling, realyy hope your kids wont have to put up with that

EEEEEEERRRRRRR (CAR STOPING) Hold the phone! i never advocated for racial profiling. stop putting words in my mouth! that's all the other side does. We want illegal immigrants out, then we are racist.

we want to make sure everyone here is here legally, we hate whoever. Move on. stop making this racial.

G-Money!

Zachary W · Veteran Member

Dokolski wrote:

if they are here legally then they should have nothing to worry about... all thats going to be done is a little inconvienance which is nothing because what is happening is this law is helping that community why shouldnt they WANT to help they should be more than eager to supply citizenship papers

Small Inconvenience? Granted I think people go overboard with shouting injustice and invasion of privacy, and this is definitely more than just a minor inconvenience for citizens... Getting slightly off topic, if the federal government passed this law states would cry Big Brother and fight it.

Heling is · Veteran Member

Moussa wrote:

Zachary W wrote:
Actually it reads as though police officers can question anyone even if they aren't in trouble already.

THEY ARE MIS REPRESENTING THE LAW!!!!! it is much better!

I think it's necessary to an extent :/

Heling is · Veteran Member

Zachary W wrote:

Dokolski wrote:

if they are here legally then they should have nothing to worry about... all thats going to be done is a little inconvienance which is nothing because what is happening is this law is helping that community why shouldnt they WANT to help they should be more than eager to supply citizenship papers

Small Inconvenience? Granted I think people go overboard with shouting injustice and invasion of privacy, and this is definitely more than just a minor inconvenience for citizens... Getting slightly off topic, if the federal government passed this law states would cry Big Brother and fight it.

I agree with Zach. It would be such a pain to have to pull out every single documentation when asked on the spot. Besides, what if the cop is having a bad day and decides to deem your papers as forged? That would be such a headache, not a minor inconvinience. Also, what about those alleged illegal Canadians? Racial profiling wouldn't help us find them :/

Heling is · Veteran Member

Moussa wrote:

Nay wrote:

okae im glad your alright with racial profiling, realyy hope your kids wont have to put up with that

EEEEEEERRRRRRR (CAR STOPING) Hold the phone! i never advocated for racial profiling. stop putting words in my mouth! that's all the other side does. We want illegal immigrants out, then we are racist.

we want to make sure everyone here is here legally, we hate whoever. Move on. stop making this racial.

G-Money!

Gee, I think it's kind of impossible to make it non racial since the two topics are now practically married to each other :/ And shush, Moussa, you love racial profiling and you know it. :D

Jesse · Veteran Member

i disagree with the bill begin passing in the state to become a law. it should have people comes to America from other country. People coming here for a new home and new freedom from their cruelty government and their country. It's a risky law to pass, but I think it should develop something new so people can identify that they are immigrant.

Sheldon2442 · Member

It would be a tough law to pull off because some people lie and have fake i.d's. But that must've been an idea running through their minds when this idea occured. So maybe they have a plan that'll atleast make the illeagal's decline in numbers.

Sheldon2442 · Member

I agree that its an invasion of privacy so lets hope it fails =).

Bianca Vieira · Veteran Member

I feel that there are other things that the government to do instead of just asking for anyones ID to prove citizenship. I feel it will racially profiling and it will create a major uproar. I feel people will get around it anyways. People get around the law now what makes it different? I think people will feel targeted and i hope no one would have to feel that way. On the other hand i feel that they should ask for proof because if you are here illegally you shouldnt be here. If you are a citizen you should be proud to show your ID. I dont know im on the fence with this because i dont think it will solve the 'problem' only make it worse and will create problems other than illegal immigration but with racial profiling in communities and in the government. I feel people will take it to the extreme to fight against this because in a way it is unfair, but people no matter what they are still illegal so it should be okay but i dont think it will ever happen.

mre · Senior Member

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illy · Member

I do not agree with this law, i think everyone no matter what race,color, or suspision has a right to privacy. I mean how can you identify someone walking down the street as an immigrant or not? I dont think that everyone of every age walks around with an actual identification form or I D this is crazy. If you want to find an immigrant dont just pull someone over or stop somneone from there daily schedule just because they look mexican, chinese or any other race its deff. not logical or necessary to do so, there are many other ways to find those immigrants that dont belong in the US other than racial profilling.

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LEENA23 · Member

I don’t think that people should go and prove there a citizen of the United State. I feel that there are other things that the government to do instead of just asking for anyones ID to prove citizenship. I feel it will racially profiling and it will create a major uproar. I feel people will get around it anyways. People get around the law now what makes it different? I feel that this **** needs to stop the government needs to use the time of the law enforcement for other reason and they need to stop wasting the tax payers money.

jordan coe · Veteran Member

well in a way i think they bill is good and bad becasuse the illgeal immagration problem is getting out of and but then agin it would be racial profling to get people opon suppsion its going to cause big problems wather it is passed or not i think a bill needs alittle modfication like the on supsion part but i do think somehting has to be done they shouldnt be here hints the term illeagle if they want to be here come here legalely yea there socity is bad over there doesnt mean it gives them the right to come here illegaly i think there needs to be better border control and arizona has a big problem with illegale immagrants something needs to be done!!!!!

Anthony · Veteran Member

I think this law is bull**** because cops can arrest you just because you look like a suspicious immigrant. What about they arrest a woman that is American but she doesn’t have any proof she American. I am against this law because all immigrate are trying to do is make a better life for themselves and there family in the United States. I think no state should pass this law because they are breaking the bill of rights and the amendment. It is violating people rights and privacy.

hsalk18 · Member

I am totally against this law. That is a violation of privacy and it is absolutely not needed. There is no reason why a person should be checked if they belong in this country for no reason. I mean yeah, maybe if the person does something wong that would be a reason to be worried and maybe the person should be checked, but just random checks? That's just rediculous.

Freire02 · Member

I don’t think that the state should have the right to go up to people randomly to check if they are a legal citizen. Just because people look differently doesn’t mean they are illegal immigrants. The police just use stereotypes and pick people out. I don’t think its rite and wouldn’t let it pass.

Venassa · Member

Government shouldn’t over look at someone to prove that they are citizens in the United States. Some people have a fake I.D. I don’t think it’s fair to specifically look for someone to find out if they are citizen or not. I just think they should only investigate if there’s a crime

JacQuieee · Member

No states should not inform this. I don’t think everyone should prove themselves to the United States that they are a U.S. citizen because im pretty sure not everyone has an I.d to show, and also that’s their privacy why would anyone want to put it out there just to prove that their a citizen.

mre · Senior Member

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